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in the housing markets and for hundreds of thousands of charities in this country. again as i say, which ron didn't respond to, this party that has paraded around, the party that wants to rein in government spending, they are unable to identify any changes in medicare or entitlement spending which shows the tea party at its core was a phoney, phoney movement. >> joy, it's interesting to hear ron referring to august 2011 because a number of refers appear to have forgotten something happened in november 2012 called a presidential election. >> right. it was an election in which president obama, unprecedented for a democrat, actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the top 2% and he was re-elected resoundingly with it. to what ron said, if it's only $14 trillion, what's the big deal, go ahead and let the rich pay it? that's number one. number two, the other thing that's been exposed and what's true, what's always been true about conservativism is that the core principle is the rich don't pay too much, they pay too little. when they say things like broaden the
"blackwards," ron christie. thank you so much for joining us inside "the war room" again. >> governor, it is nice to see you again. >> jennifer: all right. so do you think republicans have recovered from losing the election? >> well, i think we have. i think there's no question that although president obama got less of the popular vote than he did the last time around, his electoral college numbers went up. he won. but the other thing that i would say to you governor, is senate republicans, the american people voted for the status quo. they kept the republicans running the majority in the house of representatives to keep a check on the executive branch and so while we did take a shellacking in the presidential election, we still have one of the houses of congress -- it is up to the congress to negotiate with the president. >> jennifer: i gotta stop you on that though because the democrats won the popular vote in the house races too by a million votes. yes, republicans maintained control. but they lost seats and a large
. he is the leader, the ramrod of all those right wing challenges. he put up ron johnson to beat mitch mcconnell because he's too liberal. he's leaving, quitting his senate seat, giving it up, to run the heritage foundation. we have other stuff coming up, but let's start with that. >> first of all, he's going to make a lot more money. ed fuelner, who is leaving, makes $1 million a year. demint has a net worth of $40,000. secondly, the leadership has tried to rein him in. they've said, you can't go out and go after these conservative republicans with really conservative republicans in primaries because you're setting us up to lose senate seats. now that he's out of there, he can become a kind of cross between grover norquist and the jim demint he always was. he can drive these hard right ideas, but he can also sponsor hard right candidates in republican primaries. i think he thinks he's going to be more important at the heritage foundation than he is in the senate. >> let me ask you about that, john. it looks to me not just -- the money is always a draw for some people, i'm not sure it
to tony blair, we're talking to democratic congressman xavier becerra, republican senator ron johnson from the state of wisconsin, also pat houston, whitney houston's sister-in-law and manager and jeopardy champion ken jennings written a new book. it's tuesday, december 4th, "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome everybody, you're watching "starting point." we're honored this morning to have the former british prime minister tony blair with us as our guest. he's going to be weighing in as a number of topics. we're going to talk about the fiscal cliff, we're going to talk about the global economy. we're going to talk about the civil war in syria. we'll talk about the royal baby coming soon. first we want to get right to zoraida sambolin for an update on the day's top stories. >> soledad, the fiscal cliff debacle, with 28 days remaining before drastic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, a republican spending plan has been rejected by the white house. brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicki
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back in 30 minutes we're going to sit down with wisconsin senator ron johnson and talk for the next hour, grover norquist, old buddy from college joins us. will his tax pledge hinder a deal on the fiscal cliff? he rises above? where is that rising above? >> that's true. there are some people who say you got to stick with your convictions, others -- >> stick around. let's bring joe and andrew back into this. guys you've been listening to the conversations this morning. your take away? are we closer, further away? you hearing things you like? >> further away. >> further away. i've decided, becky and jim, that probably the best way to do it, i'm in howard dean's camp, why wouldn't the president go over the cliff and then introduce legislation lowering the rates on 98%? and if the republicans don't vote for that he gets the tax cutting mantel and i don't see how they would vote against that? >> so cynical. >> but so true. >> why is that cynical? >> you know, because -- because i think it's crazy that that's the way things get done in washington, and we will explain that to the public. t
for the littoral valley. gene cernan, harrison jack schmitt and ron evans aboard. apollo 17 launched at night, and when they landed three days later, the sun was behind them. and so that particular launch trajectory put a fully formed beautifully lit earth in the window of the command module at a time when the astronauts really should have been too busy to look at it. here is how al reinert, who co-wrote the movie "apollo 13" describes what happened. quote, at five hours and a few minutes into the flight of apollo 17, one of the crewmen looked out the window. what he saw inspired him to grab the only camera that wasn't stowed and snap a picture. but whoever did it said nothing on the radio or to their crewmates about it. it is possible they did it instinctively, hardly ever thinking about it because none of them thought to mention it for weeks. reinert doesn't say which of the three took the picture, partly because nasa gives all three credit for it, and partly because none of them were supposed to be taking pictures right then. today nbc veteran space correspondent jay barbree got gene cerna
, it's not there. >> i know this name isn't on your list, rocco, but i wanted to bring jcpenney up. ron johnson you could have argued would have been the ceo to turn the company around. but we've not seen the results. would you consider putting him on this list as well is this. >> i wrote an article earlier in november that criticized ron johnson and his performance. i think what happened there is ron johnson was fantastic at apple. but he worked at apple with steve jobs. ron johnson probably read a few too many of his press clippings. if you watch the investor day he did a few months back when he first came to jcpenney, people thought he was crazy when he went to target and went to apple. and then he talks about how he went to steve jobs' house, saying, steve, i'm leaving for jcpenney. and he said, are you crazy? and he's saying, target was great, i went to apple was great and now we're in the same position with jcpenney and i'm going to work the same magic there. no, you can run shotgun with steve jobs all day long. steve jobs was the retail architect. >> we should note, andrew mason
. ron paul was taking a powder to get out of the camera way in the house or whatever so these two guys are the two senators. >> stephanie: he's the senator from the green room. >> nobody wants to see mcconnell or boehner. they're the two that we'll take the spotlight because we look like we're in the process of doing something which for the record they're not! >> stephanie: dean in atlanta. you're on with hal. welcome, dean. >> caller: how are you? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i just want to preface my comment with the observation that i think -- i should practice law. i think justice scalia's pretty much a bully and -- has some issues of his own that need resolution. but i think you're missing the point and i haven't heard anybody really speak about it. either on your show or elsewhere i don't think he's saying that gay marriage is murder. what i think he would argue is that there is a -- that the government has the right to outlaw or make illegal behavior that it considers immoral. >> stephanie: r
, ambassador ron kirk. democratic heavyweight, pro tension gubernatorial candidate. terry mcauliffe. and none other than william jefferson clinton playing. imagine the conversation out there on the links at andrews. >>> up next, we'll talk to the former senate majority leader who recently served as u.s. special envoy for middle east peace. was the leading peace negotiator for that region, former senator george mitchell will join us live on the other side of the break. we'll spend some time with him. >>> and record rainfall up and down the west coast. a live report from one northern california town, where the river is literally rushing through it. >>> money was the single most important factor in the election. >> a little bit later, former president jimmy carter said president obama's re-election win was his grandson's doing. we're dead serious. we'll tell you why, we're watching msnbc. the place for politics. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaq
like mike lee, ted cruz, marco rubio, ron johnson, pat toomey and rand paul. yeah, rand paul, the man who wants to abolish virtually every government agency and restore the gold standard. with jim demint gone, i guess you could look at rand paul as the de facto leader of the tea party senators. establishment republicans, they ought to be nervous. senator lindsey graham looked like he was in a state of shock on the senate floor today. >> i met with jim demint this morning, and i, to say i was stunned is an understatement. he has always been a friend. somebody i could count on. personally, we've really enjoyed our time together. and i just -- i was stunned this morning. >> the tea party has poisoned, i think, the well of the senate and the republican ideology. the gop is so far out of the mainstream right now you can hardly recognize them from ten years ago. a new quinnipiac poll shows americans support raising taxes on the wealthy 65% to 31%. republicans, i think they're in the wilderness. they face a changing demographical situation in this country they don't know how to deal with. th
less so a little bit. ron clain less so. we have to make this guy look presidential. romney's killing himself. we don't need to be -- the word they kept using was caustic. so they gave him contradictory advice. he was conflicted. at one point before he left for that disastrous debate prep in nevada, he said i don't know what i'm doing here. you're giving me contradictory advice. >> jonathan, here's a tough question. maybe you don't know the answer to this. john kerry was the head of the debate team. he was the guy playing him. was he part of the team that said get tough and other guys overruled him later? what happened? >> i will refer to glen. generally that john kerry was not blamed by the president or the president's high command for his poor denver debate performance. they said kerry did his job effectively. and the proof of that, chris, is the fact that john kerry is about to become secretary of state. >> were they tough? were they having the president go after the other guy like he should have? or were they softening up? how would you sbrieb the preparation? >> kerry was more of
are against it. that's not true. >> that's right. >> stephanie: let's go to -- ron in texas. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: hi, sexy mama. >> stephanie: hey baby. >> caller: chris and jim too. my partner of 14 years and i were doing some calculations the other day and you know that as person earning $10 an hour which most people in low-end jobs don't even earn that but the fiscal bunny hop that we're going to take, i think we ought to take it because quite frankly, it will be about $8 a week in extra taxes and you know, if they retro act that back to the first they'll get the money back. so really, what is the effect? it's negligible. i think -- i agree with clinton. let's do the arithmetic. you know. count the numbers. >> stephanie: right. yeah. >> caller: i'm waiting for friday too. we want to get married one of these days. >> stephanie: aww yea. me too. well yeah, that's the thing. it has been fearmonger and demagogued, people don't get you kind of go oh, that's all of the scream
to talk, all right. >> bill: hey, let's say hello to ron calling from chicago. good morning. >> caller: good morning, bill. good morning guys. >> bill: how are you? >> caller: good. i'm on my way to work. i want to make a comment about bob costas. he makes the comments. >> bill: bob costas, yes. >> caller: he makes the comments, what i think in the framework of caring about two people losing their lives. and they want to run him out on the rail and it was just a month ago richard mourdock makes comments, where was the outage he shouldn't even be allowed to run. just the difference of both sides is amazing to me these people that -- >> bill: well, yeah. sometimes it is just hard to explain. the inconsistency outraged about one thing and not outraged about another. when it comes to -- it is not surprising for the nra. this is their position. they've gone from an organization at one time which really did a great job representing hunters and saying you know, we've got our rights. we want to be able to contin
have asked. we will move on to ron on the independent line. caller: in my opinion, hillary clinton or any other right person being an office would probably be the worst possible case scenario for this country and i think it is time that a normal person be elected to office them da. host: ron from indiana. from facebook, john says -- james says -- diana says -- here are some of the twitter comments we have received. bill says -- and biff -- and steve says -- and finally, jim says -- robert, north carolina, the republican line. caller: after this term of four years with the democrats, i don't think she has a chance. i am a business owner. four more years of this, i will be out of business. host: what kind of business do you have? caller: bulldozer's. host: how has business been over the last couple of years? caller: bad. i am barely staying in business. i do not know what to look forward to. i can hardly stay in business. the democrats in this country i think is wanting to kill us. business people, i cannot stand much more of it. host: robert on the republican line. linda is in texas
the fence. >> yes. >> stephanie: road flair mary ron in delaware writes about the food stamp challenge. corey booker is going on food stamps for one month. how long until road flair mary calls in to complain about another black man stealing food stamps from her son. mary hasn't called me since the election. [ crickets chirping ] >> oh that's a knee slapper. >> stephanie: his snark doesn't wear well after an electoral pounding. >> no. >> stephanie: he would frequently scoff at how out of touch we were. >> it was for people on the skirts who stole it, clearly. [ mocking laughter ] >> stephanie: right. okay. all right. you know what we head to to make some cash on this whole fiscal cliff. it looks like we are going over. i think we could sell fiscal cliff saucers and helmets. >> sure. >> sell t-shirts at the fiscal cliff claifen. >> stephanie: there jim's catch phrase. >> charles productions. >> stephanie: a lot of people are equally irritated by grover norquist. he is on the meet the press, and i don't understand who he is why anything pays at attention to him. and why
on panel. let's see tim is coming. tim is dc. steph my husband ron and i -- they have the homo gay on them. >> road flair mary is not going to like that. >> stephanie: we are addicted to your show. we download it so we can hear it without the commercials. two ways to enjoy me. or you can just lick my picture. >> or there is a third way to listen coming up very very -- >> stephanie: oh it is very exciting. i don't think we can announce it -- >> yet. >> stephanie: yes. >> you'll hear us on your fillings. >> stephanie: no. meet and gropes, we are in row c -- okay. let me write that down. everybody tells me what row there's in. >> we have meet and gropes and republicans have meet and mopes. see what i did there. [♪ magic wand ♪] >> stephanie: keith says steph it looks like harry reid will get a filibuster rule enacted. senator will have to hold the floor -- imagine 36 straight hours of mitch mcconnell. talking turtles. [ applause ] >> it's hour 27 of my filibuster -- >> i would rather here jimmy stewart. >> the filibuster, the right to talk your head off, the ame
. mitt military 568 delegates, ron paul 71. >> yeah, okay. what about the states where they're still working through the process, which is most of them, you know, whether, you know, whether it's up in maine. right now we're doing very well in the state of washington. north dakota. excellent, now in nevada. and our people are in the right places and doing the things to become a delegate. it's way too soon to write anybody off. just because somebody is in second or third place, there's a race going on. what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> people have tried to portray you as a kind of ruthless money machine who some failed, some succeeded, you didn't care, you still got your fee, or you made a ton of money but actually quite a few of the companies that failed, a lot of people lost their jobs, their livelihoods and lost money. to me the key question is do you know instinctively from your recollections how many of those companies that you went into would have failed anyway if you hadn't? >> well, there's no question but that a number of places where we went in and invested, we we
just don't. >> senator, so last week, ron johnson and you and others said what we need to do, the house passes 98% and below, allows the top 2% to go up to 39.6. just what the president wants. and then we start talk pg about spending and entitlement cuts in light of the debt ceiling coming in in february? is that what you're talking about now? so we're going to -- >> we're going to have to see whether the rank and file that boehner tries to get, if they don't go along -- you're saying they should mutiny and not do this deal he wants to do now and do this other one that puts the onus back on the president next year to come to the table for entitlement cuts. is that what you're saying? >> i don't even think speaker boehner unless, again, something's happened early this morning, he's not even going to try to sell this deal because he knows that the offer that they've made is not real yet. in other words, again let me say the cuts are to be determined down the road, with another fiscal cliff, that's being created. so what i would hope, joe, is right now, we would go ahead and implement the
adhered to the u.s. constitution. rep. ron paul was giving his retirement speech and to his credit, to his credit -- to me makes a lot of sense. i believe him when he says our liberties are being weakened. i am so sorry that they tried to discredit him. he makes a lot of sense. he bases his thinking on the founding fathers and their intentions. i am not very clear of the fiscal cliff. i understand that we are in trouble. the middle east situation that is going on is a can of worms. with our economic downturn, i am not so sure about that yet. even things like that mortgages, which is true. >> are you working? caller: i am unemployed, but i do? taxes. i stopped getting it in march of last year because of my health issues. >> unemployment is going to end, that is one of the expiring provisions. new castle, pa.. democratic line, jeanne. >> my main comments, i think that the problems, one of the main problems is the grover norquist pledge that the officials, mainly republicans, have taken. it should be deemed unconstitutional. no elected official should be allowed to take any kind of pledge. wh
more comfortable with. there are other changes they might be more comfortable with. host: ron has this suggestion from our twitter page. guest: that is a term we heard. when the cut health care, someone will be bearing the brunt of that cut. that is similar to the concept of those care organizations. they also include quality metrics as part of the contract, where they look at people's outcomes. one way to prevent against the u.s. skimping on care. host: this from sasha -- guest: that is one proposal that gets floated by democrats. medicare part d bargains for drugs. i do not know -- i do not think it would be a cure all, the one proposal that would fix everything. democrats think it would reduce the cost of medicare. host: is there a plan b? guest: we have seen them as the january 1 deadline before and get 30-day extensions. at some point they were working without an extension. medicare told doctors to hold off on submitting your claims for a little bit. that is a situation we have ended up in before. we'rere talking months, talking about big pay cuts for medicare doctors. medica
's joined by fellow pennsylvania senator rick santorum and texas governor rick perry. texas congressman ron paul for once isn't on the list. but his son, senator rand paul, is creating a category with jeb bush that we're going to call relatively speaking. then there are the guys weighing a presidential run who let's say say national name recognition isn't a strong point. john thune and indiana governor-elect mike pence may not win national popularity contests at least this year, but both have been hailed for their leadership potential. as shining stars in the gop. they may have to compete for the party faithful, but those accustomed to a certain level of national fame, if not infamy. those like new jersey governor chris christie. perhaps, the only contender to have actually hugged president obama. or ohio senator rob portman, a constant presence next to mitt romney on the trail. virginia governor, bob mcdonnell, of the transvaginal proposal and scott walker whose union fighting ways made him a darling of the tea party. just to be clear, reports of the demise of the republican party are grea
. >> stephanie: a complaint letter from ron in geneva, illinois. you guys, i object in the strongest possible terms tho who is who insinuate chicago punks are a bunch of gangsters. i'm attaching a photograph of my grandfather standing on the chicago lakeshore who, as far as i know was not a gangster. he is simply indicating by finger where one might find a bag of vipers. the guy took too much of sheldon adelson's money. >> there is a guy who tried treading water with lead boots on and didn't work out for him. >> right off the oak street beach. >> stephanie: near oak park. okay. speaking of sheldon adelson dave in arizona says -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] steph, i heard jan brewer is thinking of running for president in 2016. >> if we can find her. >> she recently met with super pac donor sheldon. bone finger, what a great idea. two local arizona tv stations were told governor brewer was out of the state on private business. where in the world is bone finger? >> she's out of the state for an entire week and i th
. >> stephanie: the joke was about him jumping out the window and going it's all for youorrara. ron paul is brilliantly right about half of the things out there, but he is half crazy, and rand paul is no different. the americans with disabilities act is a great thing. screw those guys. >> stephanie: exactly. josh in memphis. hello. >> caller: hello. y'all do an excellent thing. there is a war on christmas, but it's not being waged by atheists it's other right-wing religious zealots. it has nothing to do with the left-wing or anything like that. >> yep. >> caller: number 2 bill o'reilly has this position where he will double the minimum wage and subsidize it with government funds so it doesn't crush small business. if they were to happen that would take an incredible amount of people off of the entitlement programs. it would increase the tax flow in the income tax you are getting from the people who are making more money, and it would fix the economy because your consumer base has way more money to spend. >> stephanie: yeah, that's an important point. a lot of these top 1
. the others are ron paul libertarians and the fair tax people and you mix them all together. when they vote, they vote conservative republican. they need to be at the table. we need to talk about it. does the country want a flat tax? "we all like john boehner." i grew up and john boehner's district in ohio. he is a very practical man. he is a deal maker. he wants to sit down at the table and come up with a solution. he is being pressured by the tea party. host: maverick on twitter says -- host: what do you think? guest: that sounds strange to me. host: congress needs to do something at this point. is he remove himself from the equation? guest: he is saying, "here's my offer." i think john boehner is doing that. he didn't have the votes he needed. host: republican senator thinks the president wants to go off the fiscal cliff. guest: i said earlier myself. in terms of who gets hurt the most, i think it's clear the republicans can be hurt the most. they put themselves in that situation. let's go offto say the fiscal cliff. unemployment or other benefits, veterans benefits, etc. it would be cy
their heads. >> exactly. i talked to coach ron rivera after the panthers' game last night, and they left charlotte not knowing. they were ready to defer whatever the chiefs decided to do. they didn't even know the a alternati alternatives. all they knew it was undecided and they'd find out when they got to kansas city and they did. >> whatever you think about him as a quarterback, the way brady quinn conducted himself before that game and then after the game especially, that's real leadership. forget what happens on the football field. the way he carried himself yesterday was remarkable. >> and his comments about relationships and how we're more caught up in our phones than we are the people in front of us, that's something, you need to print it out, laminate it and carry it around. we get so distracted by the devices in our pockets, we don't pay attention to people who are with us. >> and the chiefs did win the game. but as you said, the only thought right now is for that three-month-old girl named zoe who's going to grow up without her parents. we'll try to talk about some football if
. bar ron's named its top ten picks for 2013. if you want to know if you should pay any attention to it the magazine's ten stocks for 2012 have outpaced the market by 4 percentage points gaining an average of 17%. now to the picks for 2013. there you go. apple, jpmorgan, royal dutch shell, barnes & noble. blackrock, general dynamics. marathon, novartis, viacom and western digital. might want to flip that so you people can see what i just said. marathon, novartis, royal dutch, viacom and western digital. five on each page. the fiscal cliff dominated the sunday talk shows. senator dick durbin on "meet the press" yesterday saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike on the wealthy. >> i can tell you i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it but we need to solve the problem. we cannot allow their reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> and senator bob corker argues it might be better to agree with what the president wants to do now on taxes, and then fight later on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rates an
. i do want to express my appreciation to democratic senator ron wyden and chairman paul ryan for recognizing that a solution must be found to get this country on stable ground. we as americans must applaud and encourage bipartisan solutions. we must strengthen our social safety net and ensure its long-term viability. of course, getting our debt under control impacts more than what we do domestically. it impacts to protect our homeland safe and free and empower leadership on the international stage. the 10th district has a history and tradition of thoughtful global outlook and a special appreciation for the positive role american leadership can and must play in the world. this is a responsibility that i fully embraced and advanced. i have been honored to work with the ar menian community -- armenian community here in this congress and i thank ken and all the people at all saints church and the armenian cultural center for their support in educating me about their committee issues and concerns. i also want to recognize the bahai community in the 10th district which helped me bu
health care because they endangered the life of the job, could the secretary ron those who provide abortions a business? i'll answer that for each too. in answer is yes. i believe that this language would allow the secretary to control what physicians prescribe, what health care patients can access. is there a single person in this room who thinks that the secretary should have that kind of authority, whether it is a republican or democrat? i have a bill, 6320, which repeals this clearly dangerous provision. a plan to reintroduce this bill in the 113th congress. i hope that this committee in a bipartisan fashion can work together in this effort. look, i do not know whether this section was an intentional provision or an unintended consequence. i would rather like to think it was an unintended consequence. this is the thing you get in at 2700-page bill that you have to pass and then finally find out what is in it. maybe you like it, and maybe you will not. this clearly is a provision where any secretary of health and human services can pretty much determined what the quality of care
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